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As it happened: Lisa Neville, Martin Pakula point finger at Health Department for hotel quarantine procedures

Marissa Calligeros
Updated ,first published

Summary

  • Victorian Police Minister Lisa Neville and Jobs Minister Martin Pakula both gave evidence to the inquiry today and both pointed the finger at the Health Department, saying it was in charge of Victoria's ill-fated hotel quarantine program. 
  • The $3 million inquiry, led by former judge Jennifer Coate, is investigating how virus outbreaks among staff and private security guards at two Melbourne quarantine hotels – the Rydges on Swanston and Stamford Plaza – seeded Victoria's catastrophic second coronavirus wave. 
  • Police Minister Lisa Neville joined the rapidly growing group of people who say they do not know who made the decision to use private security contractors in quarantine hotels instead of police or defence force troops.
  • Jobs Minister Martin Pakula defended his department's decision to hire Unified Security, which was not a preferred government provider and was not known to any unions. The inquiry has previously heard Unified started subcontracting its work within the first few days of the quarantine program.
  • Health Department boss Kym Peake failed to tell her minister, Jenny Mikakos, about serious welfare concerns held by Victoria's three most senior health experts over the disastrous hotel quarantine system.

Summary: What we heard today

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Thank you for joining us today. My colleague Hanna Mills Turbet will be helming this blog tomorrow, while Tammy Mills continues to lead our coverage.

Here's a summary of what we heard at today's hearing:

  • Jobs Minister Martin Pakula and Police Minister Lisa Neville both pointed the finger at the Health Department, saying it was in charge of the hotel quarantine program that led to Victoria's second coronavirus wave;
  • Both joined the rapidly growing group of people claiming ignorance about how the decision to hire private security guards over police of defence force troops was made;
"I do not know who made the decision to engage private security contractors."
Police Minister Lisa Neville
  • Health Department boss Kym Peake, who faced an intense grilling while on the (virtual) stand for more than four hours today, conceded there were shortcomings in the early days of the hotel quarantine program, but still refused to say her department was completely responsible. She said Mr Pakula's Department of Jobs, Precincts and Regions had responsibility for the program too;

Your view: 'It's pass the parcel'

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Those feeling frustrated with our state ministers today are not along. Both Jobs Minister Martin Pakula and Police Minister Lisa Neville said they did not know who was responsible for the decision to hire private security guards in Victoria's hotel quarantine program over police and defence troops.

Neither raised any concerns about the decision. So what are your thoughts?

Well, Mikey from the West wrote: "This is a bit like the children's pass the parcel party game."

The Evidence Man responded: "It's not pass the parcel. It is flipping a hot potato, with such sincerity!"

So who takes responsibility? Not the ministers

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Here are some thoughts from our chief reporter Chip Le Grand who was also watching today's hearing closely:

For two months the inquiry into hotel quarantine has been leading to this point; a political reckoning where government ministers responsible for a program that unleashed a second wave epidemic upon this state are held to account.

Now that we are here, two things are clear: a basic question about the program will remain unanswered, and ministerial responsibility in Victoria – at least in any traditional sense of what it is supposed to mean – was dead long before this virus struck.

Whose idea was it to use private security guards in quarantine hotels?

According to Lisa Neville, Victoria’s Police Minister responsible for the governance of our emergency services, and Martin Pakula, the Minister of Jobs whose department contracted the security companies, neither were consulted nor told about it.

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Today's hearing ends, Health Minister to take the stand tomorrow

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And Ms Peake is done for the day after a marathon session. The inquiry returns tomorrow with Health Minister Jenny Mikakos from 10am. She is the only witness to give evidence tomorrow.

You can catch up on the key developments of the day, here.

Many, many thanks to our legal affairs reporter Tammy Mills who brought us speedy updates throughout today's lengthy hearing.

Security companies were given infection control advice, Health Department claims

By Tammy Mills

The Health Department's own lawyer Claire Harris, QC, has questioned Kym Peake.

A public health report on infection prevention and control in hotel quarantine was provided by the Health Department in early April.

Ms Harris said Dr Finn Romanes, the public health commander who would go on to raise concerns about the governance of the quarantine program a few days later, put together the April 4 report.

Ms Peake said it contained information about physical distancing, infection prevention and control, cleaning and personal protective equipment.

It was embedded into the operation plans of the hotel quarantine, Ms Peake said.

'True leaders take responsibility': Emotional moment at the inquiry

By Tammy Mills

"You know that old quote, 'true leaders take responsibility'?" Arthur Moses, SC, asked Health Department boss Kym Peake.

"Do you accept sitting here today there were deficiencies in the hotel quarantine program because your department did not discharge the functions that it had been provided for?"

Ms Peake said: "No, I don't."

DHHS boss Kym Peake has been questioned for hours at the inquiry.

Her following statement made for the most emotional part of the inquiry today

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'Hot hotels' did not need to operate like hospitals: Health Department boss

By Tammy Mills

Kym Peake said the COVID "hot hotels", such as the Rydges on Swanston in Carlton, did not need to operate in a similar way to an infectious diseases ward in a hospital.

The lawyer representing Unified Security, Arthur Moses, QC, showed Ms Peake an August 25 healthcare workers report.

The report highlights that 69 per cent of all healthcare workers who caught COVID-19 in the second wave, caught it at work.

Rydges on Swanston hotel, the source of 90 per cent of Victoria's second-wave COVID-19 cases.Penny Stephens

It identifies risk factors around having multiple coronavirus patients in the same clinical space, in addition to "older ventilation systems that are less effective at re-circulating air, thereby reducing optimum air flow".

Infection control training was a matter for security companies not Health Department, Peake says

By Tammy Mills

The terse back-and-forth between Health Department boss Kym Peake and Arthur Moses, SC, has continued.

Asked if she ensured a risk assessment was carried out for the work of private security guards, Ms Peake said that was the responsibility of the Jobs Department.

"Are you finished? Is that the answer to my question?" Mr Moses asked.

Ms Peake replied "yes", before Mr Moses asked if she had checked whether a risk assessment was undertaken.

"I expected the responsible secretary would take responsibility for contract management, yes," she replied.

'Are you trying to shift blame to the Department of Jobs?'

By Tammy Mills

The lawyer for Unified Security, Arthur Moses, SC, is cross-examining Health Department boss Kym Peake.

Ms Peake denies she has been ducking the responsibility her department had for hotel quarantine.

DHHS boss Kym Peake accepts her department had responsibility for the hotel quarantine program, but says that the responsibility was shared with the Department of Jobs.

Mr Moses asked her whether her evidence that hotel quarantine was a joint operation with shared accountability with the Jobs Department was "an attempt to deflect responsibility from the department you are head".

Ms Peake began to answer the question, but Mr Moses intervened, asking for a 'yes' or 'no' answer.

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Health Minister's lawyer has no questions for department boss

By Tammy Mills

Health Minister Jenny Mikakos has legal representation in the inquiry, Georgina Schoff, QC.

However, Ms Schoff just told the inquiry she didn't need to ask any questions of the head of the minister's department.

It has emerged today that all three ministers - Martin Pakula, Lisa Neville and Ms Mikakos - all have their own and separate legal representation.

The inquiry is now running over time. Today's hearing was due to end at 4pm, but Justice Jennifer Coate is keen for today to be last day Health Department boss Kym Peake is called to give evidence.

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